Talk:Cover version

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Netscape crash

This is a user-hostile page, in that it causes Netscape to crash because of the way the tables are made, having < t d > without any following < / t d >, and the like. The creator of this page seems to have been unwilling to correct that problem for several weeks.

This is a user-hostile web page in that it causes netscape to crash. I suspect that is because it has things like < t d > without < / t d >, etc.

The end tags for TD, TH and TR are optional, so this should not cause problems for any compliant browser. But there were some other errors in the formatting of the table, so perhaps that was the problem. I've fixed it (the W3C validator says there are now no errors), so it should work in Netscape now. --Zundark 21:16 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it.  :) soulpatch
Is it fixed and may we strike-out the warning? Hyacinth 02:50, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Numerous covers

Hmmm.. what about songs that have been covered numerous times, like Unchained Melody, how's that going to fit into the table?

Well, if we include all 3000 or whatever covers of "Yesterday", we really will have a problem fitting it into the table.  :) But I doubt if all the covers of any song that has been covered numerous times are notable enough or commercially successful enough to be worthy of inclusion. We can include 2 or more covers in the third column by just inserting a br between them (as has been done in a couple of cases). soulpatch


Remove table

Nothing wrong with having an article, although I'm sure it will be ruined by humorless completists the way One-hit wonder was ruined, but it is a terrible idea to put a table in here. It is not only user-hostile, it is editor-hostile as well. There is very little excuse for tables and this one doesn't qualify. Ortolan88

If you feel that way, then change it. The reason I created a table was that I originally had no table and didn't like the way the information lined up (since I had basically three columns of data). Personally, I think it is more readable this way than it was without the table, but if you feel otherwise, go ahead and change it and see if you can come up with something that looks readable. soulpatch

I don't have a problem with a table, but this particular table is user-hostile since it makes netscape crash. That can be corrected without removing the table. -- Mike Hardy


"Woodstock"

I know that Joni Mitchell wrote "Woodstock", but does anyone know if she actually recorded it before or after CS&N? If she recorded it afterwards, then probably a note is appropriate mentioning that the "cover version" was recorded before the "original version". Or is it not really a cover if the songwriter records it after the artist who "covers" it did? soulpatch

I just added a list of cover albums to the bottom, and I wanted to add a Chumbawumba album that is called something along the lines of English Tax Protest Songs (1317-1514) (or similar, I just made the years up because I don't remember) and all the songs are actually tax protest songs from a long time ago. Do albums of entirely traditional, public domain songs count as cover albums? Tokerboy 03:41 Dec 30, 2002 (UTC)

Interesting question. My inclination would be to say that it counts. soulpatch
Another question that comes to mind is brought up by my Joni Mitchell example above. Carol King, on her Tapestry album, recorded one or more songs that she had written when she was a songwriter but not a singer, years earlier, and which were hits for other artists. So can an artist cover their own material? This sounds like perhaps an example of a special category of songs that is slightly different, but related. User:soulpatch

"Only You"

Isn't "Only You" originally by The Platters? I mean, is it the same song? KF 19:29 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)

I just did a check on Google of the lyrics of the Yazoo song and the Platters song, and it appears they are different.

http://www.reallyrics.com/lyrics/Y001100010002.asp http://www.reallyrics.com/lyrics/P004300010001.asp soulpatch


List too long

I think the list is getting too long. I don't really have a concrete solution for it, but just to throw out some ideas. We could adopt one or both of the following (feel free to add a suggestion to this list): Tokerboy

  1. List covers that hit the Top Ten after 1970 or so, before which it was too common to be worth noting
  2. Require that entries include a sentence or two about why it is culturally, historically or musically significant (similar to music video)
I'd just leave the page as it is. As with practically all lists, contributions are likely to slow down considerably in the future. A case in point seems to be remake (see also the horrible debate with Isis at Talk:Remake), but also the List of pacifists. --KF 05:25 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)

Fiona Apple

I don't know much about Fiona Apple, but was she three years old when she released Across the Universe? Kingturtle 10:18 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC)


Song?

Hi Everybody, I am working on the german article on Cover Version de:Coverversion. I am searching for a song from the 1950ies, which is a cover by white musicians but had actually no mentioning (at least in the first release) of the original black songwriters and artists (which is an example for plagiarism). I have in my mind, that there have been numerous cases, but i am no specialist in RocknRoll...--Diftong 13:15, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Copyright

What is the copyright status of cover versions? How is it that posting lyrics on the web is a copyvio, while singing them as your own is not? Meelar 20:21, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)


I included a brief explanation of compulsory licensing in the beginning of the article. The short of it is that American copyright law (I don't know about anywhere else) says that you can record your own version of a previously recorded song so long as you pay the copyright holder an amount specified by law. You don't have to get permission for covers, unlike with samples or compilations of previously recorded material. Does that sound clear? I'm sure someone can clean up my explanation in the article.

In between a cover and a sample

How do we deal with and where do we put borrowings or covering that doesn't include a whole song, like a sample, but unlike a sample is re-performed. Numerous examples exist of the bass line from Chic's "Good Times", from rap songs to Queen. Hyacinth 04:46, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

But why "cover"?

I guess this is an etymology, rather than a music question, but I've heard that the term "cover version" dates from around 1966. Is that usage because of the prevalence of fake versions which mimic the original cover? Or is it using cover in the sense of "enhancing good qualities"... or perhaps in the sense of copulating with a female horse... no, probably not.

In any case, it isn't obvious to me why it's a cover version. Does anyone have clues?--Timbomb

According to [1]:
  • "An interesting note about the origins of the phrase "Cover Song" from Mark Edwards at WICC Radio:
    • An example of a COVER record would be the release of "Sh-Boom" by the Crew Cuts in 1955 at almost the same time as the original by The Chords. The term COVER record is taken from the fact that the Crew-Cuts version, being performed by a white group and distributed by a major record label, and thus finding considerable additional radio airplay, would COVER any chance of success that the original release may have had."

Hyacinth 02:50, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Split

Surely this now needs splitting into "cover version" and "list of cover versions"? violet/riga 16:13, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Agreed - I will make the change --HappyDog 01:07, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)