Talk:Music video

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I don't have documentation to back this up, but I distinctly recall a TV programme some years back about short (no longer than 10 minutes) music films being made back in the 1930s or 1940s; one example they showed on the program featured a young Cab Calloway. The 1980s(?) film, "Loose Shoes" includes a humorous parody of these, called "Darktown After Dark"

A sidenote on the 196gayboy0s: for a short while in the early 60s, someone manufactured a kind of video jukebox - put a coin in and the machine played a music film loop. I once saw one of these in operation when I was a kid.... I think there's something about them on the Dead Media Project pages. -- Malcolm Farmer


de rigueur - doh!!!! :) Nevilley 01:17 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)


Are we sure that only notable/influential music videos are being included rather than people's personal favourites??? Subjective I know, but I suggest there needs to be some sort of criteria for inclusion agreed here... quercus robur

I agree this is a potential problem, but I don't think the current list is a problem. Granted, I added many of them myself, but I tried to choose meaningful videos. I don't really have any solution to prevent a future problem. Tokerboy 01:37 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
Suggestion: how about requiring any additions to include a brief statement about why, either in the article or on the talk page. Something like "pioneering use of animation in a music video" or something. Tokerboy 01:37 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
Sounds good to me quercus robur

Hmmm, I don't think some of these are particularly significant - Californication , for instance, which isn't particularly interesting, whereas I would have included Michael Jackson's "Black or White" and its use of morphing. However, rather than arguing about this ad infinitum, are there experts in the area who've listed some of the more significant ones? --Robert Merkel 02:06 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)

MTV's list of the "most influential music videos" since they went on the air is at http://krater96.com/music/072001mfmtv20videos.html -- Zoe

I don't know if I'd call MTV experts at anything other than pandering to the lowest common denominator, but it's a good starting place. I don't think it's necessary to do any significant weeding on the list until it becomes too long, so I vote to let people add what they want for now, and weed only as necessary. (I agree about "Black and White" too, and I will add it) Tokerboy 02:16 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
I agree. There's no point in just regurgitating MTV's list, or else readers might as well just go there rather than here. Hopefully wiki contributors will be more discerning and have there own choices (with reasons)of what are significant music videos quercus robur
I hate to be a killjoy, but that's quite contrary to the Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Read carefully on "characterizing opinions on people's artistic and other works". --Robert Merkel 02:26 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
OK, but then what is the point of this or any other wiki entry? If it is purely to replicate the opinions of the MTV 'experts', then the entry might just as well consist of nothing more than a link direct to the MTV link given above. This is a highly subjective area, and the opinions of wiki contributors can be just as valid as the alleged MTV 'experts', more so in fact because I doubt anybody here is being paid by a record company to hype any corporate product. OTOH that doesn't excuse listing any old crap because it happens to be your favourite band or song, but actually exercising some discrimination as to whether a song/video is indeed groundbreaking/significant/notable or whatever, and I expect other wiki's to be as merciless as ever in their editing if contributions arn't coming up to scratch... Cheers quercus robur

Do we have any idea what the oldest music video would be? The Dylan one listed in '65 I believe.. The Beatles have a bunch from that year as well. They may have a couple from '64, I'll look into that. Any other old ones out there? Might be cool if we could list the first music video in the article. -Jazz77

There were jazz film clips included prior to movies during the 30s and 40s. I can't remember what they were called. -- Zoe
Like old Kinescopes? Were they actually made like videos or were they just films of live performances?
As far as I know, they were just films of live performances. -- Zoe
Purpose made for visual jukeboxes. Added to article. Ortolan88 06:16 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
actually, that reminds me.. "Hey Jude" and "Revolution" were both films of live in studio performances, so I guess they're technically not music videos either. -Jazz77
After doing some research, The Beatles had several in '64.. "I Feel Fine" is one example.. I remember seeing it now. Same year as the "A Hard Days Night" movie, which many people also mention as part of the origin of music videos. I'll keep searching for something older. -Jazz77